Oral History Interview of Jake Northington for Black Student Center oral history project, April 6th, 2021

Ayana Ford: Today is April 6th, 2021 at 1:08 PM. I am a Ayana Ford. I'm a student at Cal state San Marcos, San Marcos. And today I am interviewing Jake Northington for the Black Student center oral history project, a collaboration between the CSUSM black student center and CSU university special archives, Mr. Northington, thank you for being with me today.

Jake Northington: And I,

AF: I like to start by talking about your childhood when and where were you born?

Jake Northington: Oh, I was born in, Illinois. I'm from East St. Louis, Illinois. That's where I grew up. And, I moved around a lot as a child. I was adopted quite a few times and had, allowed me to stay in a lot of cities. A lot of States, I went to quite a few elementary, middle schools, high schools. I went to four or five different high schools and I kind of moved around a lot, so, and ended up here in California.

Ayana Ford: Wow. So that actually brings us to, our next question. How did you come to understand blackness? Because I know by moving around to different places that would change your understanding.

Jake Northington: Well, the city I'm from is 97% black, and it's been that way for hundreds of years. So East St. Louis is in Illinois. Most people have never been there. And then people have heard of St. Louis, Missouri. Well, the boast, both sides of the city is divided by the Mississippi river. And, East St. Louis was a town established by black people and it's been black forever. And one of the major things that happened in that city was during the industrial revolution, like you've got a big race riot that happened in about 1918 that decimated the city, the East side of the city. And it's been decimated like that since then. And many of those places and industries that will burn down that still burned down today. So even when I grew up, a lot of those places will still burned down and dilapidated just, it stayed like that for so many years and it's been a place of poverty, but within that 97 plus percent of the population is black. So growing up, I got to see black people drive cars, be the principals, be police officers drive the city bus, you know, they're driving a Greyhound buses. They're there many mayors city council people and all of these things that even the person delivering the mail,- (00:02:41):

Jake Northington: The person delivering the doors and all of the shops, it's just a big, , group of blackness. And I got to see blackness from all different levels of economics and education. So I'm in an area where I get to see black people from economically the lowest level and economically a higher level. So being able to see black people among those different class groups and those different educational groups, it allows you to see people for who they are.

Jake Northington: When you can only see another group of people living wealthy and rich, it could kind of skew your view of that entire group. So, because I grew up in an area like that, I didn't get a skewed view of my own people

Ayana Ford: So do you feel like that helped you, become more comfortable with yourself as a whole?

Jake Northington: I was never uncomfortable? I would answer it that way. So I never had to get to a point of uncomfortable being black. My teachers are black. So when I grew up, there was no such thing as being the only black kid in class that wasn't a part of my upbringing. Everybody in class was black teachers, middle the principal, everybody does, but we're in attendance. So that wasn't an issue growing up so that every black person there is practicing black culture. So the food, the music, the art, the corporations, the festivals, everything that's happening in a park, every holiday that we celebrate, every Thing was full. And so these are, these are not things I had to pick up later in life or learn later in life.

Ayana Ford: So how has the black social justice and activism such as a civil rights movement, feminism, the natural hair movement and the black lives matter protest effected you?

Jake Northington: Oh, well, so the civil rights movement definitely affected us, but in a way that's a little different for me because you got a lot of integration. You got a lot of black people in areas they weren't, they were not allowed to before. So you started to see, maybe, , area of homes where you'll now have a few more black families that never existed before, or you'll start to see black people being allowed in certain malls or restaurants. So those things start to become a lot more commonplace, but growing up in East St. Louis, that doesn't matter. That didn't change. So you could,-

Jake Northington: The people there were constantly. So we didn't get to see all these different races of people and other cultures. We got to sit together, build together, fail, and grow together and go through all of the tribulations of life together. And you could get your answers from your own group of people. You could get, you know, you may get chastised, you may get corrected, you may be taught to do this, taught to do that. And it, it gives you an influx of empowerment. Like if I reach out and I want to know like, Ooh, what happened with black people 50 years ago? I don't have to go to the local library.

Jake Northington: And read it. Or 80 years old that I can just talk to. , or what did black people go through during the civil rights? These people are right here in front of me every day, they went through the civil rights. So I don't have to go to a library or a.com or something like that. And I think that's what people who grew up outside of a black city. They may have to do some of those things. Why did not? So the civil rights effect on me didn't come with a lot of integration. So the civil rights effect on other people.

Ayana Ford: Yeah.

Jake Northington: They may have been forced those to go into a lot of integration. And with that integration, they could have lost some sense of culture or some of the things that I was afforded to have growing up in a, in a predominantly black city, going to a black middle school, elementary, high school and things like that. So, , so the civil rights movement, you know, it had an effect as far as activism. So being at a black school, we always celebrated black history month. Like throughout the year, we did things such as we had to give book reports or reports and every suffering black person in history. And most of the time, these were all the black people during the civil rights movement. So all 18 or 20 of us, in? second grade class, we'd all have to give out oral report and dress up as that person. So, and this is something I brought later to San Marcos as a student, and that's why I got that from. So, being able to do that, connected us to it. And it allowed us to, see what we had gone through as a people where we're currently at in East St. Louis and then to, to kind of-

Jake Northington: Or cast. So that's what it allowed for me, that particular social movement. But then you get the, uh, the Black Panther party movement, things like that. We got to see a lot of these people actively in the streets protecting other black people. And some of these things were available in East St. Louis as well. So a lot of chapters that have black Panther party, , some of those people came from Chicago and they will come down and then they would help protect or teach people different protective measures or teach more about history. And-

Jake Northington: That those two movements within my whole community, as far as people wanting to know more about history, people wanting to know what can they do actively in their community to correct some of the things that are issues in their community. So those two things had a great effect on my life and my upbringing. Now, when you get to, , some of the other movements, not as much, because I'm not actively involved in newer movements, but when as a kid, these other movements really had an effect on my mind. I said, and give me a reason to look at black people as a whole group of people and not just the people here on my street, the people in my school, the people in my city, you know, it allowed me to open my mind up to black people on the planet. So, and having black teachers all of through school before leaving,, East St. Louis, having those black teachers in all of this, this black community as my baseline, once I left and going to these other cities, I was already, you know, in a strong Understanding of who I am come from.

Ayana Ford: So I imagine that's a big shift for coming to San Marco. So did you come directly from San Marcos? So, , did you go straight to San Marcos after that? Or no?

Jake Northington: , I came here for work, so I completed my, my job. I was in the military after I completed my time in the military. It's right here. And you know, it was right down the street. It's like 10 miles down the street, the military Everybody's. So in this case, I wasn't trying to move again with so, so much moving, going on early in my life. I wasn't interested in continuing to move. So I just chose to apply to the school. It's the only school I applied to

Ayana Ford: Really. So was it, so you said you came, so you came from the military, so it was, it wasn't a really big shift coming from the military to the San Marcos meaningculturally, or was it an easy shift because you got to be around a bunch of different cultures.

Jake Northington: Yeah. So I would say, no, it wasn't a difficult shift because even

Jake Northington: In the military, you're around every state and multiple countries. So a lot of people from other countries joined the military to get citizenship and stuff like that. So even within the military, you're getting half of the States at one job, half of the States are covered with people from different States. And, and, and I was in the Marine Corps specifically. So there's not a lot of black people in the Marine Corps. Most of the Marine Corps is non-black is so, , we, we already around other people and dealing with other people's culture and stuff like that. And then prior to joining the military, I had already lived in like Dallas, Texas, and I lived in Chicago. I lived in a bunch of other cities. So, , I was, , engaged in,- ,

Jake Northington: Privy to being the first university I went to. So I went to college right out of high school and, didn't work out too well. So I wasn't prepared for college in a way that I needed to be. So that's kind of how it happened from the city I come from. It really doesn't prepare you for college. A lot of the effects of the, what does that call? They, they put a thing out in the eighties that was no child left behind policy. So it kind of turned all of our testing and to multiple choice. And that was no more filling the blank director of measure. So it was just pass or fail and they were just trying to pass everybody. So a lot of people were not prepared mathematically through English or through science and reasoning to even walk into college. So it did a lot of us that did disservice. So I had to take a little bit of a U-turn in order to come into the university and be successful. And that U-turn was the military. And that's what brought me to California. And then after the military, this school's right here. So that's why I chose San Marcos. There's no special reason others.

Ayana Ford: So this, you, do you see, you think this, this U-turn helped you prepare for your coming to San Marcos, everything going around with so many different cultures that are entering the military?

Jake Northington: Well, I mean, again, I had already faced it before the military, cause I'd already been in universities and I'd already live in now that cities. So I was already prepared even before joining the military. That's why I had no issues. So it's just, it's just a repetitive understanding that all it is is not East St Louis and everything I learned in East St. Louis. It doesn't necessarily, you know, it became more disheartening. So it wasn't a shock. It was more disheartening than outside of East St. Louis. I didn't go to a lot of places where they had a large congregation of black people living at home, going to work, having all of these big family events and things like this. So that was more disheartening. I wouldn't call it a culture shock because this is still America. So I know I still live in the United States. So,

Ayana Ford: So what was your first impression of San Marcos as a black student? What was your first impression?

Jake Northington: As the rest of the building? that I didn't see any other black students. The first impression was where all the black students at, like, where are my people at? And now you walk around on a regular basis. Every day you may see eight black people. If you're on campus for four or five hours, you might see eight black people. And half of those are faculty and staff. So almost never saw the black students, especially in my, uh, my study. So I was in visual and performing arts. And I think the entire time I only saw one other black student in my class.

Ayana Ford: So, can you, what, where did the student,[Technological difficulties] my goodness. I'm so sorry.

Ayana Ford:So you were, you were, were you at the box years, grand opening, Black Student Centers, grand opening. Yes. So you got to see it come to be, how do you think that it impacted your involvement on campus? Being able to see this come to be

Jake Northington: Well, I already knew it was happening because I was a part of the, some of the other students who were working to make it come about. So before I got to the school, I was already coming here and being active because the first school I went to here was Palomar. So I went to Palomar college, which is the junior college across the street from the school. So I was already going to Palomar college. And while that Palomar college, I would come to Sam or some of the events and, you know, they put out a lot of different events that they were doing, and I would come to some of them, during kind of the U hour on campus. So when I was able to witness some of these things, and then there were groups of students trying to start the process of getting a black student center.

Jake Northington: So these people were already doing this. AndI'm quite sure this has been tried before as well, but this time it became successful. So I'm sure that's not the only time the black student body asks for a place like this, but that's the right group of students this time. And that was the very excellent black students. He pushed it and they put all the measures in place. And then I just got involved immediately because when I got to the campus and said where all the black students, I got involved immediately, I saw a couple of black students that were out here really active and trying to make things happen. And, and I'm a person like that. So I just attach myself to some of those people and it would, I could with this entire project. So I was along the lines of the project and I kind of added here and there wherever I could. And that was, uh, that was just a good group of students that were pushing to get their center. And I just happened to be one of them.

Ayana Ford: So to backtrack, are you in, I

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Ayana Ford: [Technological difficulties} Oh, I'm sorry. You cut off. Oh, okay. To backtrack. So were you, were you in any activities or anything that got you to be able to connect with more black students on campus?

Jake Northington: Yes, because when I first got here and I said, were all the black students immediately, I would stop people and be like, Hey, where's the BSU [Black Student Union] meetings held at where's this where's that, you know, you have to have a BSU. I mean, you got more than 10 black students. You got to have a BSU. I would think, you know, so I found to be going to the meetings. I became a member immediately, you know, I started paying my dudes. I went to every meeting and then I just kept asking for more. So, , I, I don't like things the way they are just because, you know, I think we deserve more than what we were getting. And then a few students felt the same. And then we decided to keep pushing for more, you know, every one of us has a part to play. So while some people want it to operate, you know, the BSU, some people want to operate. Like they had a black Christian Administries. Some people went down and then everybody has a part to play, to keep growing the black community on campus. So I wanted to find out things I could help do to grow the black community on campus. And then this, this Avenue of having a black student center became one of them. So I just jumped in right into that and got involved. And that's what kind of segue me. So getting involved in the BSU segue to getting involved in this black student center project.

Ayana Ford: What do you think the role of the Black Student, center, , union was played with the black student union? Like how did you, how did, what was your, did you have like a administrative role or were you just a student

Jake Northington: As far as the black student center?

Ayana Ford: You union all the black student union,

Jake Northington: A member. And then, , at one point I did run for one position. I didn't win it though. Somebody beat me out, but, , I did run for one position in one semester. But other than that, I was pretty active. I helped design some of the, , some,

Jake Northington: logos that they had for, I helped set up and break down events, things like that. So I was never an official officer, but I did the same thing, many other students did, you know, so I didn't do anything, any, anything special, but I just gave all the support I could showed up to every event I could and help set up and help put on some of the events, you know, just like everyone else. So, and, but then the activism within the, black student center project, this is when I, it started to kick up a little more because I did other things on campus. So I was a part of the colleges for me,- (00:19:46):

Jake Northington: Seminar at that time for the high school students trying to come to college. So I was able to speak on some of those panels and then this led to other opportunities. So then I started to get selected to be involved in other occasions. So then I started to go to ASI meetings on a regular. So every week I would go to ASI meetings, take notes, you know, say whatever I need to say and try to transfer some of the things that the black students were asking for and BSU meetings and try to bring some of those things and present them AAS meetings if I could. And also sometimes those things happen and then them extended meetings. And just any meeting I saw happening on campus, they used to do a check-in with the vice president. They used to, they had all these open forums, I would go to everything.

Jake Northington: So that's, that's the way I started and supplanted myself, as far as, trying to help create some change and just attach myself with groups that were creating change, or sometimes create our own group to create some change. So then when, you know, as we got further and further along with black student center, these other students were doing their part to stop [technical difficulties]-backgroud resolution. And then I was just one of the students that came along to, to make sure we spoke up in support of it during some of those ASI meetings. And once it got voted on and it all got agreed to, then we had to have, , students to work there. And we also had to have people come interview for the position, , to be the director. So along those lines, I, I became even more involved. So I was selected to be a one of the eight people to sit down and have them

Jake Northington: Luncheons with the dates for the position. So I was able to do that. And we were, you know, in a conference room and we had to do some little, like just a little enclosed meeting and lunch in and kinda see what each person was, , standing and what they offered. And then I went to every one of the people's presentations to be the next candidate. And then I kept doing that with other positions as well that were around the campus. So that was another part I played. Also, we all sat down as a black student center as a black student union. A lot of us sat down to chart, , come up with the name of the black student center. So there's many names-

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Jake Northington: Thrown out there. So in that it's called the black student center. I helped both of that too. You know, some students voted for that and I was just one of those, some students voting for different names, and this is a name that everybody kind of agreed to settle on., we also, we also had to put in evaluation sheets for the presentations. We liked the best from the different candidates. So I was able to do that as a student and able to do that as one of the eight people selected to be on the, the little small group panel. And I was the only student,-

Jake Northington: And then everybody else was a staff member, but I was the only student. So then from that, I got hired. So I was one of the first people to get hired into the black student center and I was hired there. And then I actually designed the logo that they still use today. You know, I'm happy they still use it, but I'm like, it's been a couple of years. I was surprised they haven't gotten somebody to change it, but, but that, that's nice that every time I see it, I just remember, you know, uh, I did that and they, they, uh, there's been like a lot of merchandise and just, you know,

Jake Northington: T-shirts and the space, , all of the photos for the first two or three years, I took them all. So at that grand opening, all of the photos of the grand opening, a lot of those things you see as for a lot of the activities from the first couple of years, , different video clips and stuff like that, you know, a larger majority of those things I did, there was a few other people that took pictures and videos, but the large majority of it, uh, I did, that was one, that was my position. When I worked in a center, I did a lot of media and a lot of archiving.

Ayana Ford: Wow. So what did you think that the student staff and facility evolved in the creation of the Black Student Centerin the center felt like they need it while you were in the meeting?

Jake Northington: Well, one is we needed a space that was our own that's, that's just number one. I would think all groups need a space. That's their home when you're coming into a university, , system, because we're going to be here for awhile. You're going to come to class. You're going to be here for six, eight hours a day. Some people are spending 10 to 12 hours like me. I was one of those students that was on campus and was 10 to 12 hours a day. You are a student who works on campus. So now you're taking your classes and your work here. You, you have to have some level of comfort and security. And then all of these things occurred during the height of a lot of shootings and murders of black people that we all were able to witness over the course of these same years. So we're talking about the center opening in 2017, but this comes off the backs of the Sandra Bland murder, the, the, , the Trayvon Martin murder that Samir rice murdered them,-

Ayana Ford: Brown murder all the way back to back to back, leading up to right before we got a space. So all the anxiety was constantly building amongst black people, just in the country and around the planet. So with that, that high level of anxiety, a lot of black students just felt a little more uncomfortable or insecure being on a college campus that maybe they didn't feel as much support as they had once said they needed. So, uh, having the space is something people ask well, because now we can have programs specifically for black people that, that didn't exist prior, we could create support groups. We could have a fellow mentoring from other black students to black students or black faculties, the black students, we could have a hub or a home on campus where we could just relax and take all the stresses of being a black college student or just a black citizen in the country. So it becomes a place of that. So you get a little, a piece, a little home feeling and a re invigoration of why you're here

Ayana Ford: [technical difficulties] Can you hear me? Yeah. I'm sorry. You cut off again. I'm so sorry. So did you feel in the beginning, did you feel any pushback for the creation of Black Student Center center in the effort from people about,

Jake Northington: Oh yeah. There's tons of it.-

Jake Northington: I got it all printed out. People physically, , looked at and gave us nasty, looks walking around. This is faculty, staff, and students with physically look at us in a way of like, you don't belong here. So be before the center open, , black people will be walking around sporadically, going to classes or something like that. And we were not grouped up as much. So the only time you would maybe see a group of black students is on the way to the BSU BSU meeting on the, on the way back from the BSU meeting. And that may be the-

Jake Northington: Only times you can see groups. Once we get a black student center, it's now a constant that everybody on campus is now constantly able to view look at these groups of black students right here around the center of campus at the USU. So this was a new thing for the campus. So we started to get nasty looks. We got a lot of students disagreeing with us having a space. We got, , people saying that where's the white student center. We had a few people even saying, I want my student fees back from your high student fees, going to the black student center. Some people said that the black student center is separation and segregation. So all of these things were placed on the school's website, the school's Facebook page, the school's and Instagram page. And, you know, and the school had to do their job of, , correcting some of these things. But this was the field of a lot of students, faculty, and staff, and some of them voiced these things. So we did get, get a lot of backlash.

Ayana Ford: You feel like the school did a good job on responding to that, to the backlash?

Jake Northington: Ah, I mean, I would say the school did what they could because, I mean, if somebody stays in opinion like that, that they don't want their money going to this, that's not, that's not an offense. You didn't break the law. You didn't. I mean, so what could the school do besides, okay. We don't enforce, so we don't support that type of rhetoric. So we'll take it down. I mean, I mean, I would, I would say the school did that, That much to take in that manner. You people get to feel how they feel and state the things they stayed, as long as they don't go over a particular line of, , of racializing things or something like that. So I don't think there was much else the school could do as far as what people would write in post. So now treatment received to students or any physical threats or any, something like that. Now I would expect this, the campus to do a little bit more, but just people giving nasty look.

Jake Northington: I mean, we had students in the front and taking pictures, going, look, it's a black student centered. Wow, what is this? And they come make jokes. We had groups of students that would dare each other groups of students who were not black. They would dare each other to run in the black student center and say something and run out. So that happened, , every week for probably the first semester, the entire first semester, the second semester we wrote her. So it was a lot, it was a lot of little things like that. And people would come in and just try to crack a joke and I'm not black. Can I even stand in here And then laugh and run out? Yeah. And that's, , again, disheartening, but that's not an actual rule that you broke. I mean, so what could we expect to happen? But it did expose the, , the unaccepting behavior that a lot of people on campus had when it came towards black people and black students. So that behavior got exposed. So I would say that's a good thing, even though it's a little bit of a struggle

Jake Northington: To go through it, but I would rather the truth come out. So, this is, you know, people kind of get this from campus climate surveys, but we get to see it happen in real time. We get to see the actual discomfort or people saying, no, I can't go in there, but we didn't really see all of these things happening in the same manner with the other spaces, or, you know, you don't hear people saying, well, I don't belong to that racial group. So I'm not going to walk in that space. I don't belong to this group. I'm not going to walk in that space. There was a line I can't cross.

Jake Northington: I didn't see these. So if it happened, I don't know about it, but I didn't see these things. Well, we constantly got that. So we had people that would walk up with their group of friends, one black student, and then four or five other students. And they will walk up to the center and then everybody would stop right at the door and a black student would keep walking in and turn around and go, Hey, what are y'all doing? Y'all can come in here. Are you sure? Or are we allowed in here? And we, we had so much of that and it still happens now, but it happens rarely. Now. It was a common occurrence every day. So We took a while football and accepting of having a black student center. And that was from top to bottom.

Ayana Ford: So on a more positive note. So you said you attended the black student center, grand opening.

Jake Northington: Yes. How did it feel to actually go into the center for the first time? I had already been in his center for the first time months earlier. So I remember, so I helped pick out some of the items that we put in there. I helped, you know, I selected all of the books that we chose.

Jake Northington: I actually went down to do the purchase. The bookshelf went out and pick the items that went on the wall with some of the art pieces. So I had already been in the center months and months and months, many times before it opened. And then we had to do planning to actually the grand opening. So of course I worked there. So I was a part of the planning process. So it wasn't like a shock and all to me because I was a part of the planning process. But, , I do, , understand how much that meant to the whole campus. But again, I'm coming from a different perspective.

Jake Northington: I'm coming from a city. That's nice. Doesn't this doesn't give me an aha or shock for me. It was more of a, okay, good. This is the first stone stepping stone for us. We needed to have this. And this is now something that can become, , a foundation like this space is always going to be here. Now let's continue to build some programs now that are going to help black students on throughout the future. So that was more where my mindset was.

Ayana Ford: Okay., how did the planning go? How'd you make those decisions on what needs to be put up and presented in the Buxton center?

Jake Northington:, I was, I just knew it had to be positive promotion of black people, because all that's ever talked about in many of our classes is if they bring up, , the black community, they're talking about slavery, they're talking about riots, they're talking about social upheaval and, or they're talking about sports. So culturally, culturally, we're not seeing a promotion or, , Or any type of, or surrounding discussions with black people, staff and faculty, students, anything, because everything we were mentioning, it includes the faculty and staff too. You know, they've been here for years and years. Some of them had been here two decades. So everything our black students are facing just for two to four or five years, the faculty and staff has faced the entire time of their employment. So, , this includes them as well. So I knew that everything that went up in here had to,

Ayana Ford: Support the black people out, Hey, let's get some nice photos of blackness in its most positive light. So let's get some photos of, of black men, black women, black families, black children. And then the books I selected were particular books of some of the most famous black writers and scholars that these are books that need to be read. So I created this whole list. I went and talked to other people, other people added to the list. So it was a collaborative effort effort to make these things happen. And then we took a few people with us and we walked around and we just picked out items out of certain stores, you know,

Jake Northington: Looked online. And he was like, yes, we, these things are necessary. So, , you know, we have a big painting of Marsh Marcus Garvey. We have a, there's just so many different things that was just necessary. So that's kinda what we thought about. We thought about the past. We thought about the, , the faculty and staff. And then we thought about the current students and the students to come, what would work to unify at all. And it's an uplifting thing to, to view and to see when you walk in here. And we also had, uh, a lot of students that are born in, In Africa, but they now use from Africa and they now live here in the San Diego area. Some of these students even brought things from home to help decorate the space. So, and that was, you know, they did that on their own and they came and asked, they said, Hey, can we donate this? So we can put some of these African pieces in the, in the space. So everybody added to it so that wasn't, you know, it's, it was a part of my job, but everybody added to it.

Ayana Ford: Hmm. So how do you feel like the art and the decor of the Black Student Center helped the center? Like how do you feel like it impacted the failing of the center?

Jake Northington: Oh, a little, you tend to feel a little more at home. You tend to feel a little more comfortable. You walk in and you feel the culture and you, and you just now you like being on campus. Like you don't just run from class and leave campus and never come back until your next class at eight. Am it allowed students to hang around a little bit more, which allows them to now talk a little bit more, which now allows them to build more relationships. So these things were not happening before the center.

Jake Northington: And then we can't just have an empty too. So now when you kind of decorate the area in culture, it just helps with all of these things. And then, and then now you constantly have positive images and then positive literature and all of these different things to connect a black person to go, wait a minute. This has been done before because we had this big picture of the Tulsa in 1921, Tulsa, Oklahoma, and it listed how many hospitals, how many banks, how many schools, how many restaurants, how many train and truck system, since that existed, he was picture of the people. And we had a picture like that, of a, of the Harlem Renaissance. So, and for, for black students, faculty and staff, to walk in and see this, it reminds you again, Hey, look at what our people have done throughout the times. I'm here now in a university, it'll help you like motivate you a little bit more to push a little further, to do a little bit more. So that's kind of how the artwork and the people kind of work together. And this is what makes it so much, so, so necessary to kind of cult

Jake Northington: Julie decorate the plate.

Ayana Ford: Can you tell me a bit about the early focuses of the black student center? Like the initiatives, programs, events, and focuses?

Jake Northington: Yeah. So one of the main early focuses was, again, we're all the black people. So our main focus was we have to get the black people in the, so it didn't happen fast. So, you know, if you go to the school right now, it's like a regular thing,

Jake Northington:But it wasn't. And half of them work there. So we had to promote the space. As far as this place is here, it exists. Come stop by. Let's go. If you're walking into the USU and you go stop and get a bagel and some coffee, take two more steps. Here's the center, you know, so students would come through and keep passing it and keep passing it and not think because the space was already there. It was just, it w it was a different room. So the room got re, rearranged. And then once they put up, put up the sign and everything, it's, all of the spaces have a sign. It doesn't stand out. It's silver and black. All of the spaces have a sign. That's not going to point it out so much. So you kind of have to stop. So what we would do is we would stand in front of the, =, in front of the center and kind of stand outside. And two or three of us are standing out there, like during our work hours and stop students, Hey, Hey, have you seen the black student center? We just opened, you know, we're doing this, we're doing this, we've got this program, this event coming up. And then we would, , during you hour, we would be out there and have a table

Jake Northington: And we will stop students and keep telling us in class, other students that work there, they would make announcements in class., a big part was to get the students in the center. So we all had to keep stopping students and keep telling them that was a daily thing. Hey, you need to tell at least five or 10 people today about the space and keep telling, keep telling. So we kept going, kept going, kept going, kept going, and kept going. And then, , the black faculty and staff had a lot of help in that because they work, they used to do, , like black student welcomes. And it was, , you know, it was a little smaller than it is now. Cause now

Jake Northington: All of these entities get the black faculty and staff would do like a black center of black student. Welcome. And then now you're able to put all these things together and now it made the welcome a little bigger. And now you have a place to bring the black students to, and you're not just talking to them outside the building. So this all now started to bring more students in., and then during the orientations, we're now allowed to have a table at the orientations all during the summer. So now this helped with recruiting. So recruiting people to the space was number one, , number two

Jake Northington: Too, we're trying to get in the school like as a student in the school, when now we got the students here, we need to get them in the space. We're all trying to also try and recruit high school students to the school. So we will go around to the different high schools and speak to the different high schools. We also would go speak to the different community colleges in the San Diego area and let them know, Hey, San Marcos is a place to be. We have a black student center as well, and that kind of helped bring in some of the black students. So even while I worked there, I ended up seeing about eight black students that I met him

Jake Northington: High school and recruited upcoming to San Marcos. So that was definitely a good feeling to see people that I spoke to when they were ninth to 10th grade and tried to, Hey, you just, you want to, you should, you should come to San Marcos. You know, we're building the black culture. There, you live here. Your parents are here bringing you in your parents and then them and their parents would show up to orientation. You talk to them again. And then they ended up making a decision to stay there. So we actually got to directly affect and help black students come to the campus without having a black student center. We don't have as good as sale. So it's kind of helped improve

Jake Northington: Act. Students, even applying to the school. Another thing was about, , grades. So we need recidivism. We need to, we need to keep students here. So we know that freshman year is a big year for a lot of black students. And we have a large amount of black students that drop out in their freshman year, all throughout the CSU and UC system. So we need to impact that. We need to get those numbers down. We don't need people dropping out so much. So a part of this is there was a mentorship and that was a tutor, a program. And then the center connected with the tutoring center

Jake Northington: To try to let it can come in here and give a, give a lot of presentations. And then maybe we can get some black students working in the tutoring center and they do their hours here in our space. So that was a, an initiative initiative that was pushed. And I was actually a tutor as well for some of the black students. So now these black students may be uncomfortable or may not feel like they can get as much help from some professors or some other classmates or anything like that. They now w were able to get that help in the black student center. So, and then, , Another thing was programming things. So getting students in there, recruiting students or recidivism and increasing people's GPA. And then, , and then we also got programming. And with that programming we're w we want to bring black specific programming. That's going to increase students, graduating, going into higher education, learning more about their history, learning more about politics and society. And then what ways that they can maybe get through past and over traumas that are facing the whole black community, what ways and what measures they can use moving forward.

Jake Northington: So do you think that's the main purpose in your opinion for me? Yes, but I think other people would give different responses because I think everybody gets something different from the center. So when you, you, when you aim to do this, this, this, this, and this, and now each one of us get, take what we need from the space. Like, okay, I really need this. I really need that. I really need that. So if nothing else ever, everybody loves it because it exists for black students. So if nothing else, I would think that would be the one thing everybody could say. So

Ayana Ford: Do you feel like that purpose should be it's especially being accomplished now?

Jake Northington: Yes, it definitely is. Yeah.

Ayana Ford: I'm glad to hear. So what does, what has been the impact that you see the black student center is doing on the campus today?

Jake Northington: It's bringing black students and faculty together every day and an ongoing situation that never, never was given a space, a space for black faculty and students to operate together. So a lot of black faculty would put on events. They would put on presentations, they would give workshops and things like this. Well, now having a center, this could happen right here in the center. So now we have directly faculty and staff that are black giving presentations to black students. So where we may not have as many black teachers, all of us, all of the black students now have an opportunity to have that back and forth in some of those mentorships and getting some of those can, maybe they can, , get help with resume writing. Maybe they can get help with mental health and counseling. So all of these things were able to happen now to have that space for the faculty and staff to kinda,, mix and mingle with the students in a, in a professional setting to where we can make these things happen. Now. So some of those lacking areas that we have for black students, those things we'll now able to get accomplished because we have a space to put these people in, in an everyday basis. So that was a lot tougher to do when you just have

Jake Northington: A black students walking around and then you, you may never cross paths. So a lot of faculty and staff got to meet students. They would never normally meet because we have a hub. Now we have a home base. So, , I think that's one of the most important things that have happened. And, , so many students now are more engaging of each other. Why come from all the black people speak to each other? I came out here. It wasn't so much the same because people are more spread out and they may be not used to seeing so many black people like that in one space. So I actually heard that from many, the students from the Marietta Riverside County area that came to San Marcos, most of them had the same response. It was 10 black people at my high school, stuff like that. I, every day I was the only black person in class. Well, now all of those students are here and they're sharing those same stories and now they can kind of help each other out and help get through some of these things and talk about, you know, how that may have affected their, their identity has affected their personality or affected their self-esteem. So then we can address some of these things.

Jake Northington: So, I mean, that's come about, since I have any black student center,

Ayana Ford: How do you feel like the Black Student Center s impacted you personally?

Jake Northington: Hey, I got a job. I wasn't, , personally, I, I mean, it, it gave me a space to use some of my skills. I think that's how it impacted me the most. So, , I was able to practice my photography. So I, I didn't take pictures before I came to school, but those things kind of

Jake Northington: Happened at the same time. I started working at the center like right at the same time. So all of that kind of came together at once. So now I got to practice my photography and I've since put out a bunch of photo books and I've done so many different photo projects on campus for the black student center. And of course archived all of those pictures. The 20,000 photos I've taken over the course of the few years. So it gave me time to practice my study. So my actual, , program is the visual, performing arts with an emphasis in art and technology. So

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Jake Northington: From class with my occupation and with going through different programs within the center. So I was able to bring everything from the center and all of those became my projects for class, all my homework projects, all my midterm things. I had to do art classes, I got everything from the black student center, even some of my sociology classes and papers I had to write. I was able to get all of my information I needed from the center. So then other students did the same thing as well. So if I have a paper to write and I need it, and I need books to read, I go right to the center. And I got all these,

Jake Northington:-These books.

Jake Northington: So I don't have stuff that already exists, or I need to interview students cause I'm doing my psych, my psych class. And I need to interview a couple of students here. They are right here in the center. I have to do these surveys for, for this class or that class. And I get to come out and hand out my surveys in, in the center. So, so many students were able to take advantage of those things, where they wouldn't be able to do before, because before I have to stand outside of the USU and ask people to help me, Hey, would you like to take this survey for my class? Hey, would you like to? And that's what we were doing before I had to do that for one of my classes,

Ayana Ford: Awesome.

Jake Northington:The space, we could do it right here and get assistance with your projects, with homework, everything. And then, , we also were able to, I was so happy that I was able to help different students like, , sign up for classes because, , so many students coming out of high school, don't look at college in the whole scope of, this is what I need to do freshman year, sophomore, junior, senior year. And I need to be transitioning into resume writing and application to grad school. All of those things don't necessarily hit our community in the same way it does for everybody.

Jake Northington:So we have to, we have to sit and just me being able to help some of the students. I mean, I really enjoyed that cause, , you're able to go through an online process of signing up for classes. And now I could sit directly and talk to them through of, Hey, let's take two hard classes, two easy classes and one medium class and that'll be a five. Don't just put them all up here, you know? But they put out here for people to take is a skeleton to work off of. You don't necessarily have to just take these classes in a row like that because you're coming from a lower economic area,

Jake Northington: Maybe from downtown San Diego, maybe they didn't concentrate so much in mathematics. So now you need to take a few math classes before you get to college math then. Okay, that's fine. So now let's take that at a junior college or let's take one of the lower math we can online. Let's take this, this, this, or how about this? Some of us started to take classes together so we could help each other and not just be in a class by herself and not have anybody to bounce ideas off of, or ask for assistance with our homework.

Jake Northington: And now we can share a book and a book. So a lot of those things now we're able to happen because we had the space and I was just so happy to be able to help other students because I didn't have a difficult time through school. So I, I mean, I got all A's and everything and a couple of BS. That's all, that's what I had the whole time, San Marcos. So, you know, I didn't have a problem with class whatsoever, but I knew other people did so to be able to help people and help them with papers and help them with getting their courses together, help them with any remediation need, Need it. And it's just to help your people when that's your intent, it feels good to be able to do that. And I think a lot of people got that out of the center too. Not just me.

Ayana Ford: [What do you want to see next for the BSU?]

Jake Northington: Hmm. That five year anniversary. That's what I expect to see next. But, , I mean, , John is doing such an amazing job. This, this guy needs a Nobel peace prize. We, , it's just so much that that's happening. It's almost

Jake Northington: Like if you think you have. So, , he does, he does a lot of work in collaboration with other centers. So, so much collaboration has happened. It seems like he has that down Pat, but for the center itself, more programs like wider, a wider touch in San Diego. We need to really get San Marcos on the map in the same, , same level with San Diego state. You walk around anywhere in San Diego County and everybody's heard of San Diego state. So it's an option. It's 13 year olds that have heard of San Diego State So it's an option, a CSU San Marcos and option for black students. So this means we have to do more promotion. We have to stretch out more to the middle schools and high schools and getting the word out. We have to do more collaboration and more efforts to do programming outside of the campus, or at least show ourselves outside of the campus.

Jake Northington: And, , people need to know that there's a black hub of at Cal state San Marcos. So that's one thing that I would like to see that needs to happen., one thing that is in the works is the, , the black alumni, nah, a chapter. And I started, , everything rolling with that and it just pulling people in to be a part of it and everybody can play whatever role they choose. So to have a black alumni network. So now we have something for our graduates to fill a need. I'm looking for employment. I am looking to go to grad school, I'm looking to get a PhD. I'm looking to relocate, whatever we need an alumni network to help with that. So for us to not have our own alumni network would do us a disservice. So just con

Jake Northington: Continuing to build that black hole San Marcos. So I paid my alumni dudes. I'm pulling them that lifetime membership. So now I'm going to help support in any type of way I can. So, , let me see what else I would like to see us have a bigger space. So as our student population is growing, we need a bigger space. So, , these were, this was a very small room and they knocked the wall down to try to open it up a little bit. This was a very small, a prayer room before it became the black student center. So it needs, it needs to be bigger space. So I think they have more of an intention of this is going to be a space for this particular thing. So they're a little more wide open and they have a little more space. But when it came to the black student center, there was not a designated area. So they had to find a space and Conda adjust the space to give to us, but it was just a smaller space. Well, the black student population is growing. We also need the space to be used by black faculty and staff. So I would like to see us get a bigger space,

Jake Northington: Bigger space, at least three times. It's entirely too small. I would like to see the center get a graduate assistantship. So like the rest of the spaces have, there should be a graduate assistantship at the space., and also a user space for, , I would like to see more archives. And that's the whole point of this project. That's why I, I mean, I don't know if they told you, but this was my idea. I came up with this idea to add this project. After I was involved in another project I did where I got interviewed and I was like, you know what?

Jake Northington: It would be great if we student center, because this can't be lost. All of these things that so many, so many black students that came here did maybe even the black students way before us. And then some of their names get lost and they don't get mentioned. We have to recognize all of the black people that made the effort to get us this space because this space is a foundation now. And while we have the time and it's only been a couple of years, let's get that story told, let's put it out there, let's set the foundation and let's keep building the archives of the space. So I would like all the black students, faculty and staff

Jake Northington: After involved to be a part of this, this is something to look back to like this was done, this was established and we all came together to make this happen. So that does a lot of great work as far as inspiration. So if you get a black student as a freshman coming into the school and they see this was done by black students, faculty and staff came together to make this happen. And it was just this recent, you know, three, four years ago. I mean that doesn't, that does a good job for inspiration. And you get to actually talk to the people who, who help make this happen. That does a good deal And, and inspiring want to be active. And the more active you are as a student, the more likely you're going to stay in school, more likely we're going to graduate. So we want this to just keep cycling through and keep building and keep building. So those are some of my, , some of my thoughts as far as moving forward with the center

Ayana Ford: On what she said., do you know, do you have any committee with the different leaders in this project and their contribution to the black student center?

Ayana Ford: Oh, you want to hear some mains? Yeah.

Jake Northington: Oh, okay. Well, , , ASI president and she was also, , , think she was president or vice president of BSU at one point. So she's definitely, I mean, if it wasn't for her, we wouldn't have the center. Like we have some major names and, and, , so her, , Jameela Johnson, she was also an officer, maybe vice president or president of the BSU at a point. So they all kind of, you know, took turns being the president. Everybody was the president at different times. And, , she was also at ASI. Then we have a Kyla green

Jake Northington: Who was, Oh at one point. And she was also an ASI. So you had these three black women at ASI during all of them. They did most of the legwork, as far as the paperwork, the resolution, the promotion of it, bringing this information to the BSU, letting us know what's going on the ins and outs of all of the meetings. Cause I, I, you know, me as a student and other students, we could go to some meetings, but we will not go into all of the meetings. You know? So as an ASI member, they were there for like every meeting and they had other meetings with, with administration and stuff like that, that we, that we weren't

Jake Northington: Not going to. So they wait the process, this is what's happening. Now. This is what's happening. Now, this is what the student body can do. This, this, this, and this. And then they also established partnerships with other people outside of the black community on campus that helps support this resolution. So, , without those three, we wouldn't have this space. So I hope their picture goes up in the center. That's one of the things I pushed for for a day, one day one when the center opened and I hope this eventually happens their picture and their name should go up. As far as these are the most significant Black student beat, they should be mentioned.

Ayana Ford: Speaking of programs, by the way, you had mentioned earlier, , have you been involved in making any programs specifically?

Jake Northington:, yeah. I was more events, more events. So some of the PR the programming has been more collaborative. It wasn't just a simple thing. And most of the programs or mimicking other programs, because these are programs that need to exist in all of the centers. So Like a mentorship program, but we made one fuss or the tutoring program. Again, that's something that's needed everywhere or, , you know, we, some of the ideas I came up with was, Hey, we need somebody to come speak about this. We need somebody to come speak about this. We need somebody to speak about this. So things we couldn't get people to speak about, like maybe historical context things, or, you know, certain things as far as how, how we're affected by different, , weather patterns, anything, whatever you want to think of art, black art,

Jake Northington: Art, or black music, any not really a specific major for somebody to speak about, maybe not. So I started to create a PowerPoint presentations and create classes and go do the research myself. And then I would give some of these classes in the black student center to different faculty and staff and students and different people would come in and I would give the class right here on the big screen in the center. And, , you know, that was something I was able to do. So I did quite a few of those. So as an individual, I did some of those things, but everything else was pretty much

Jake Northington: A collaborative work. So black Panthers or the black Panther party of people that still kind of live in the San Diego region, , that may be worked in Oakland or worked in the San Diego LA region, , when they were teenagers operating in the black Panther party, those people came to speak., so, , creating events such as, , black women's appreciation. So that was, that was another event that I had a lot of, , hand into. I was like, we should do this. Like we should, , appreciate all the black faculty and staff. So we need to make an event for black faculty-

Jake Northington: And staff, and then for the man, and kind of gave out and created our own letters of recommendation or a letter letters of appreciation that was handed out to all of the people. And then, and of course I was there taking pictures. So it was more about all of us sitting together at the table and kind of tossing out ideas. So everybody kind of played a different hand in that. And then the ideas that made sense we got together and move forward ideas that maybe didn't make so much sense. We kind of held it on for later. So that's kind of the process of how that works.

Ayana Ford: You also mentioned taking photographs at the events and such. So how do you think that impacted the people around at the box and center seeing themselves? That's, again, that's such a great impact

Jake Northington: Because as of right now, there's a huge picture in the center right now covering one of the walls. And it's a picture I took of one of the black students that graduated. And it's just, it may be the biggest impact because as we know, just visibility, you know, positive promotion and propaganda of black students, when you

Jake Northington: Go on their website for any of the pop up, almost I never black, you know, when you walk through the halls and you see the pictures on the walls, they're just, you may not ever see a black person when you just walk around campus. You, it just may never happen. So you don't feel as invested or as included in your own campus. So to see yourself in these photos, to see yourself on the wall, it just really emboldens people to want to be here, to love the choice that they made for being at that school. And it just helps them enjoy school a lot more. So I,

Jake Northington: I saw so many eyes likes or when I would take pictures at the event, I would make a slideshow and then it would be up on the screen, just rotating all day. So when people walked in, they would eat lunch or hang out or I'll do a little homework or whatever they did. And it would just rotate. And then on the regular, right after the event, two or three days later, everybody's in the center, like where's the photo, where's the photos. And then they're looking through and everybody's pointing and laughing and go, Oh, remember this, remember this? So it just keeps adding to the enjoyment and experience of just being there and being on the camera Emphasis. So, I mean, I really love him. I think it just, it just, it helps in a way that you can't even measure. So to have pictures of yourself, enjoying college with other black students here, it, it just, it's a measurable,

Ayana Ford: Are there any other questions I should have asked that I did not?

Jake Northington:, let me see. Maybe, I don't know., what are we doing now? Are we actively doing the things to, , continue with the mission statement? Has the mission statement changed? Are we, are we on the mission right now? Do we, do we have a new mission now, now that it's been a three-plus years.

Ayana Ford: Hmm. So what do you think what's

Jake Northington: The new mission or something like that.

Ayana Ford:So when do you think?

Jake Northington: I think the same. Yeah. I think the same mission should continue. And I think there is a new mission though. So a new mission would be to get more black people hired as staff and faculty on the campus. So, , being a student there over the years, a lot of the black students that graduated, they're gone, that's it. You don't see them again. So we don't get a lot of black students hired now back into, but I do see this from other groups. And then I see this across all other campuses and colleges, universities. So we need to get a push for our black graduates to be rehired back into their Alma mater of CSU San Marcos. I think that needs to happen., the school is getting bigger. So, , since I left, they built a couple more dorms. They built like the, the dining facility. They built quite a few more of the extended learning building., think they're going to build another parking structure. So as the,

Jake Northington: These things continue to increase our black faculty and staff and student population. So I'd like to see a push to get the campus more involved in making those things happen, because that shouldn't be a job just put on us. The campus should be involved in the recruitment of black students and the hiring of more black faculty and staff. We don't need to be an exchange situation where, okay, we lost three black faculty members. We're going to go hire two. It shouldn't be happening like that. We should be expansively growing as, as while the campus is growing. So that definitely needs to happen. And I like to see a lot more, , support from the campus. And as far as the other students go,

Jake Northington: Oh, and other faculty, black students center events, , we should be able to look around and see a sea of people that are not black. We should see the support of everybody who professes to support all students. Then you can reflect your support by showing up. So we have a few people from the Dean of students. We got a few people from the other centers that have been consistently supporting, , the black student center the whole time, but we don't see a grand amount. We don't see large amounts. So to have 17,000 plus people on campus, into that when there was a black student center event, just like it is when there's an event for another center or event for another space or event for somewhere else, that same support of showing up. I'd like to see that happen moving forward. And that should be a point of emphasis because that's only going to keep growing us even at a higher rate.

Ayana Ford: So how do you think that the campus can reach out some more? You had mentioned before three middle schools. Do you have any in high school? So you have any other ideas of how they can reach out more to black students?

Jake Northington: Yes. The officer communicated patients could do that has changed now. So when I was there, I didn't see it, see it as much, but I still get the emails. So I see it a little bit more right now, so that's good. And they can keep pushing the events. So as the black student center or the black student union, or other black clubs and organizations that are putting on events, the also communication, because you can do a great job with supporting those events by promoting them on all the digital signages and all the flyers ASI could do a better job of supporting the USU could do a better job. So just support us by promoting our,

Jake Northington: When we put them out there, right? Help instead, black students having to go person to person to try to get somebody, to show up to the black students. And, , that's a, that's a struggle that not every other group has specifically. Some people may, some people may not, but that really hinders the black student centers effect as far as it could have a greater effect if we got more people. So everybody has to help us with that. That's not a burden that should just be put on the black students. So, and also, , we need to work on lowering that, , those parking passes.

Ayana Ford: So always a fight. It really is. So over the years, you've seen it been over the years. Have you seen a giant shift the way U S black students were seen on St. Michael's campuses through the black student center?

Jake Northington: I wouldn't say giant shifts., I, I can't, I can't really speak to that because everything that we were facing on the campus, we pretty much still faced. So I don't know if I can answer that question. I've been away from the camp ambiance for like over a year now and really answered that. But while I was there, it was the same, , the same wall in front of us the whole time I was there. So once I left, I don't know how much that has changed. So the, , like the comfort level of people, the, , the hesitance to help or support or the hesitation to be around us as much. And I can't speak to how much that's changed. I know some people in some areas have gotten a little more comfortable, but as an overall campus, I don't know about that.

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Ayana Ford: I have though, I mean, the new president seems like she's doing a good job and, , it seems like it's, , it's on track for that to happen. So I would say I would put it that way. It seems like they're on the track on the right track.

Ayana Ford: [Interviewee stated that it was not recording] Okay., so, , do you, are you able to see the record button now? Nope. It's saying recording on my side. Do you see

Jake Northington: This recording? I hope you get

AF: Okay. It says it's back to recording. Did the box come up for you? Nope. Okay. It's recording. So I want to go back a bit on your photography, on how you talked about, , taking photos for the black student center. So you had mentioned that you had folks.

Jake Northington: So I'm glad you asked that I'm right here, since we're talking about it. I didn't, I didn't think we were going to talk about it, but since we don't talk about it and let's talk about it. So, , again, this is a study I did through the black student center for one of my classes. So I took an independent study and, , and my photography class, I wanted to do similar to like a yearbook, but for black students on campus. So for the years to come, people would always remember these times and that this happened and that this was around because we don't have a concerted effort of here are the archives of photos of black people on this campus. So since that doesn't exist, I was like, I'm going to start it. So the idea was every year to go around and capture some very good photos, as much as I could of just different black people, Well on campus and around campus. And then I put a focus to it. Cause I want it to add a social aspect to it. I wanted to make a corrective measure. It's an attempt to make a correction of a social issue. So, , and, and then they, all of the books even go together. They create one sentence. So the titles of every book create one sentence. So this is the first book

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Jake Northington: It's called human and it's H U E. So meaning like, , the hue or the tone or the skin color. So, , I mean, I can show you a few pictures throughout the book. And I created these books to kind of change how people saw black students on campus. And this was specific to the black men. So

JN: Well, walking around campus, , considered, you know, something negative. You know, people love to use that same stereotypical word as thug or criminal, and, and we need to detach those verbs and those negative, , nouns to black men. So the idea for this book was, Hey, be yourself, be who you are, be, what you are, and just sit here and give me a natural calm, solemn look. And we want to capture that. And I want to also show the campus. So a part of this was to show that the entire campus too. So we want to walk around and show the campus different areas of the campus,

Jake Northington: All different, , bludgers. And these black men have a, you know, a different mixture of ethnic backgrounds. And then we just wanted to go around and get, get a little bit of everybody. And, , when they saw this book, I mean, people lost their minds. It's like, Oh, wow. Oh, wow. This is amazing. This is this. And that's the best part of it for me. How, how well people received the book was the best part to me. So I went to add a positive adverb. So when you saw this black face of a black man and you attach it to that adverb, this is kind of how, , propaganda works. So probably getting it can be positive or negative. So when you see a news article or a magazine and they put a picture and words, you combine that together and you get a thought in your head and they could kind of help curb some stereotypes that people have of black men. So this one says philosophical. So I want you to be able to see this face and know that this person is philosophical. And let's add that together. And I actually know most of the people in his book. So in this guy was, , he worked

Jake Northington: In the art building and, , you know, that wouldn't come across if people just use the stereotypes. So, and then this is a Polaroid picture of me in the center, one of the first semesters working there. And, , I, in the book, I would put the thank you's and then I would translate it into an African language. So it also becomes a teaching tool. So this book is translated into Bantu and Bantu is spoken in South Africa by the Tulsa tribe. So in Cape town, South Africa. So, and then this was completed in 2017. So the first year of the center, so that's book one. Well, man, I had to, I had to keep it going. I had to keep it going. I didn't think I was going to keep it going, but everybody loved the book so much. It's like, all right, let me keep it going. So then this is the women's book and this is actually The photo that's on the center right now. So the big photo, it is on the wall in a black student center. And this is, I love this photo. So, , Janiece young that's who that is, Janiece young. I think she graduated in 2018. Yeah. Shaneecia she worked in the, ,

Jake Northington: So then I'll put a little bit, a little poem here. That's only my words that I wrote. And then this book is for black women specifically. So I wanted to promote black women being who they are, being them natural

Jake Northington: Selves, loving school with them smiling and enjoying life because I wanted to get rid of, or leave them in some out of the stereotype of being an angry black woman or being loud or being obnoxious. So we're, we're, we want to get away from those types of stereotypes and that type of negative casting. So they just went around and taken all of these good photos. And, , I mean, they took a while. Some of these opportunities were like, , I would have to take 70 or 80 photos to, and then pick out the one really good one that I liked. And I was able to enter some of these in art competitions, which, , pretty well that photo is actually taken in the center early on center. It looks a lot different. So,

Jake Northington: You know, that's one of the archival pieces anymore, a lot different. So now these people have all different, you know, again, all different mixtures. Some of these people are from different countries around the planet. And, , I wanted to kind of this be like a promotional tool as well. So I started to bring these to the orientations as well and show other students, look, look, you can be in the next book. And, , it really inspired a lot of students and that's, that's the SBST building. So, , I just got all positive reviews, everybody that was in the book, everybody that saw the book, everybody just keeps saying positive things about it. So I think it was a good idea. It ended up being a great idea. So, and some of these people worked in the center before, like both of them. So I think she's graduating right now. She worked in the center. So, , and then this is more archival footage. There's the extended learning building is now back here and another, , another dorm building that exist in. So, , and then

Jake Northington:This is one of the dramas and this is one of the, , feeder campuses MiraCosta. So it's a community college that feeds into this school and then this was taken inside of the USU. So it was right in front of the campus. So I love it. I love it. And then again, the teaching tool in this book, I, this was translated into Somali and it's spoken in Yemen, Djibouti, Somalia, Kenya. And then I also get to, , get a little help from some of the students who are from African countries and they help. So it's a, it's a whole group effort. And then, , that book is called solar amalgamations. And this is the third, third and final book. This is the one I most recently completed before I left campus. And this book is called. We are, so the focus of this book was to show us together. So first we had the book about the men and changing the negative image in the book about the women and changing a negative stereotype. And then now want to bring these people together and show men and women together, you know, enjoying a campus that campus life, something that we rarely get to see of black students doing. So you may see some black students in diversity,

Jake Northington :Oh no. That's something like that, students together and some of these photos. So again, I put some nice little positive words and a little bit of a poem. And then, , that's the front steps of the campus and you just got students walking around and they admit much of this looks like a commercial. It looks just like a, you know, a little magazine article or something like that. And that's the field I wanted to give off. I wanted people to be able to look through here and just see, Hey, just regular students. This is Canaan. He plays a guitar all the time. And my man, Sam, he's a skateboarder. So we get to see a lot of these things.

Jake Northington: So I deal with joint campus together

And that's A really good photo. So I'm sure they're going to look back on this 10, 15, 20 years from now. I remember that day and what they were laughing about. So, , that's the point. I mean, I love it. I mean, you, you might recognize some of these people, maybe, maybe not. So, , that was the point of this book and, , let's get to the end. Oh, there go. My favorite two people right there, Ms. Marilyn, Ms. Arielle interviewing them sewn, Shamar. And then some of these students now work in the black student center. So it's just a whole,

Jake Northington: Well, just circle to circle Kiki, Taj. He works in the center for a while. So we got a little bit of everybody. And then, , and at the end of each book, I always put a photo of myself too, just to, you know, who the artist was. And this is actually a photo with two photos from the previous book, that's in the art show at the campus. So they had an art show on campus and they asked me to put my stuff in the art show. So I submitted it and they got picked for the, , some of the final pieces. So a lot of students submitted and then mine got picked. And so it was just a good reflection to show it in the book actually Hardship. So, and then this one was translated into Swahili. That's why he leaves in Tanzania, Congo and Kenya as well, or Alonda and other places. So, and just show us there holding hands. And then all the, all three books, the sentence that it completes is we are human solar amalgamations. So those are the three titles. We are human and solar amalgamations. And that pretty much loosely means we are stars. That's what that means. So, and then that completes one project. And now I'm going to move on to work on a different project.

Ayana Ford: So by keeping these archives, would you say that, how would you say that it impacted, , the art, I mean, the environment of the in the center, because you can go back and look at the history, how do you think that impacted students?

Jake Northington: I think it makes students really feel good about who they are and what they are. It just makes us feel good. It's like, okay, I can do this too. And then it was just done last year or the year before, or just, there's been a history of black people before me that came here as a freshmen or sophomore, and they made these things happen. I can also do it. These people got involved and you start to see some of the

Jake Northington: Same faces. Oh, she was also the president here. She was also the vice president here. She was also in the academic Senate. She did this, this, this, and this. She graduated, she got these awards if she can do it. So can I, if he can do it. So can I inter continue to see people that look like you do these things at the same school? Again, it's only as inspiration and it helps a lot of our students coming in to even give more effort, to be involved, to be around, to start to do some of the works that, , themselves and to, and now we can kind of pull some of these people in to get, to get into, , doing things as such as going to graduate school, or now they might be more apt to accepting help in the areas that they need help in, because that becomes a hurdle. A lot of students don't want to ask for help because they don't want to feel unintelligent. They don't want to ask for support because they don't want to feel like they're in poverty and they don't want to feel judged. Well, that's, that's a real thing. So if we can show a little more, if we can, you know, speak a little more about, of our, our,

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Jake Northington; So we have, we get to show up as, you know, as a, as a graduate or as a senior and say, Hey, Hey, look, I had to stretch out a few dollars throughout the month. I had, I had tough, tough times and this particular history class or that particular class, this is why I reached out for help. I went to the food pantry for this. I went to the tutoring lounge for this. So I went to this for this. So now that allows a link in a chain to be made, to help black students succeed more when that's the point to keep them here and to graduate them and prepare them for life after the university. So I think

Jake Northington: Just the pictures or just having the photos add to that. So each thing we do on campus for the black students and for black student center all adds to the overall goal of keeping students there, recruiting students and graduating students, it all ads. And now building that black alumni chapter. Now we take it even a step further. So every part of this process was necessary. Every single person that was involved was necessary. And I just think they all should be mentioned and named. And whether it has a big plaque made to put everybody's name on it, or we definitely need to get that Tiffany Jameela and Kyla photo and plaque up in the center, you know, stuff like that.

Jake Northington: Before, before too many years, it'd be forgotten. You don't need these events or these situations to be forgotten. These people should be remembered. And everybody needs to know that this occurred because we have to think back, , 1989, the school was established. There have been many black people to come to this school since 1989. Well, since then many black people have tried to make change on this campus. We may never know their names. We may never know the change they was trying to create. We may never know about the five, eight, 10 attempts to get a black student center, but we can't let stuff like that. Continue. We need to reach back and try to find those stories and we need to establish something to move forward. So that's what makes we're so lucky that we got, cause I hear cause cause I was the first black graduate.

Jake Northington: So we could kind of get some of those stories from then to now. And we can kind of connect the 30 year path of this campus and black action on this campus. And we can connect those 30 years together and kind of to tell that story and kind of add and add it, add to that. So I really love that about this project and I'm just so happy. It w it was able to happen and that people want to be involved with this. Cause this is going to affect the black community forever on this campus.

Ayana Ford: Yeah, absolutely agree. Well, that is all the questions I had. Do you have any more, anything else you would like to add?

Jake Northington:, yeah. I like to thank Ms. Merlin McWilliams and Ms.Ariel Stevenson, because I probably would not still have stayed on the campus. I might've transferred. And there was for people like them because, , you know, they add a good element of, of like support that you may never get. You know, you just, because when I got here, we didn't have a center it's fine spaces to, to get some, , you know, just to be able to go talk out ideas, to be able to go, just relax a bit, to get to step away from the campus while you're still on campus. So I was able to go visit their office and just sit down and get some little, I guess they would call it counseling or mentorship or whatever, whatever, , people describe that as, but to be able to just sit down and just talk to them and be like, all right, this is what's going on on campus right now. This has happened. This has happening. And they were able to give me, Hey, you can go here

Jake Northington: To get that handle. You can talk to this, you can go to this meeting, you know, so to have people to be able to point me in the right directions to get some of these things accomplished. So if it wasn't for them, I wouldn't be able to walk into all these directions. And I probably would've wouldn't have been as involved as I was. So when they encourage all of the black students, and those are two staff members that show up to everything that's been done by the black student center and by the BSU. And they've all, they've consistently shown up those two. So most of the black students have probably seen them. I've spoken to them or even met with them quite a few times. So I ran, it would be a totally different story, so I can't leave anybody out

Ayana Ford: Well, thank you so much for allowing me to interview for this project. And thank you.[wanted to add more info] So Mr. Northern didn't, what is your major? And, , Todd is your major at San Marcos. So, , I came to San Marcos in the spring 2016 and I graduated fall 2019. So my major was visual and performing arts with an emphasis in art and technology. My first

Is ethnic studies.

Ayana Ford:So what got you into photography?

Jake Northington:Just the class that was on my list. My intention was to do digital art and media. So that's the point of signing up for that, , program. But while in the program, one of the class options to take was a photography class to meet some of the requirements. So I took that class and I just liked it. And, , it seemed doable and it was not as hard as I thought photography was, at least not for me. I thought it was more difficult than what it was. So the teacher did a very good job at teaching us how to use any,

Jake Northington: So you don't have to just get there and that's it. She kind of showed us how to use all cameras of all brands and how to manipulate the camera and, you know, just all the lighting techniques and everything we needed to use. And then in addition to that,, CSU San Marcos has a great support system for all the areas of art. So they have a music studio, they have an art studio, they have a dance studio and they have a recording studio within the library as well. So having all of those options, you're allowed to really practice your craft. So I was able to go check out a studio time in the library on the first floor in the library and, and continue to, , just take photos, take photos.

Jake Northington: It do recordings. And it allowed practice because I saw what I wanted things to look like in my head, but I couldn't physically do it yet with the camera. So just having this person as a teacher, , and then having those, , elements available on this campus, it allowed me to now get time to sharpen these things up and get my photos to the point where I wanted them to look like. And, , it really, I just, I was excited from the beginning because all I thought about was photographing black people on campus. Like, I know we need this. This has to be, you know, and then I had to go sell it, like, okay, who's gonna, who's gonna buy this. And I don't mean sell it as far as money. I mean, sell the idea of putting this up on campus. There are no photos up of black people on campus. Yeah.

Jake Northington: When I showed up. So I was, and then you walk around another year, goes by. And then I saw one picture and this was a black, a black woman who was a track athlete on the campus. And then that's the only thing I saw. I'm like, we have to change that. So my whole idea was I got to learn how to use this so I could put out all of these things and I can show up to all these events and take the pictures because everybody's just taking pictures on their phones or something like that. And it's not, you know, it's, it's not enough. People just have personal photos on their phones. I'm like, no, I have to do this. So I actually went around and took pictures that for ASI, for all types of groups on campus, and I just kept getting practice, kept getting practice. By the time the center opened, I had a good year end. And then I was like, okay, I think I can start to help. And then I started just kept doing it, kept doing it, the whole idea behind that first class,

Jake Northington: I need to do promotion black people because I have to put these positive images of black people out here. So, and it just, you know, some of the photos I ended up using for flyers, some of them, I ended up using for some of my PowerPoint presentations in different classes and it just continued to grow and continue to grow. And, , I still use a lot of them today and now everybody loves it. And then a lot of the students got free photos out of it. Cause, , people like, Oh, I want a photo shoot. I want a photo shoot. So now I'll go do a little photo shoot, give them all the photos. And then we sit together and go, okay, which give me the top three that you like. And I'll pick between one of those three to go into the book. And that's how, that's how those things happen. So I let them help me decide which photos actually went into the book because this is going to promote you and show you. So you want to show yourself how you want to show yourself. So, , I mean, I love it. So that's what got me into photography. And then I later went on to just, , work professionally with a couple of groups in San Diego for about four or five years. And it only stopped because you know, everything going on right now. But,

Ayana Ford:, I just continued to photography.

Ayana Ford: Well, any, do you have anything else to add? Anything you can think of?,

Ayana Ford: Well, I would say once, once we got the black student center, it also opened up job opportunities for black students that didn't exist before. So previously black students were in competition with everybody else on campus to work everywhere for student workers. So some people may have reservations about black people or some people may believe in stereotypes. And any other reason that hinder black students from having, , the same job opportunities on campus as other students. So when we walk, you walk around and see all these USU workers, see all of the people working in different departments. Again, you just don't see a lot of black students. You don't see, you know, three, four or five of them and that's it well having a black student center now open up more job opportunities and now open up spaces for black students to come in and

Jake Northington:Practice being a professional world, because maybe you push buggies for Ralphs. Maybe you, maybe you load the groceries at Walmart, but you haven't done a professional job in a professional setting. You haven't done report writing. You haven't put on events. So this now opens up a Rena for black people and black students to kind of practice some of these jobs skills or even have a job opportunity on campus. So that became a big thing that didn't exist before. So now over the years, black students now have an area, Hey, I can apply here and I might have a good chance to get a job. And this might, you might have a better chance getting a job at the black student center and then everywhere else on campus combined. So it opened that up. And then a lot of other students kind of what, , that may be not worked before

Jake Northington: They want it work. And they could have been here freshman,

Jake Northington: Sophomore year. It didn't care to work, but then by junior year they were like, Oh, you know what? I want to work in the black student center. They putting on all these amazing events. I want to be a part of that. I want to be a part of the creation. I want to build a part of this. So some students actually did that. And then, , some students, , came to the campus with the idea of working in the black student center. So because you know, them and their parents were going over this like, okay, you're going to stay on campus. You, this is going to be your major. This is going to be a class period. What are your options?

Jake Northington: Are you still working with Sanders now when Alyssa is the opportunity for an on campus job. So I think that was a great help as well. And it's still right now have serves as a great help over the time, because look at how many black students have worked in the center. Now over the years, all of those students would not have a job, at least not there. So now it'd be a little more difficult for them to work somewhere else without that opportunity. So, , and these skills just go along with the rest of your life now., and I just think it built, it just builds a lot of love and comradery within the black community on campus was then in turn turns into a lot more black people walking around, feeling better about themselves, and maybe they have a better day or maybe their grades are a little bit better. Maybe they don't have as hard a time studying. And maybe they, , feel better just about walking around and being on campus. So these things really have a great effect in the, in the black student center.

Jake Northington: That's the greatest place on campus. My meals in there when I was on campus, I'm getting my food, I'm coming to eat here. So people started doing that. People would normally go off campus and go to some fast food restaurant and hang out, eat, and then come back to campus. Not anymore. They go pick their food up and come back to eat it in the center to be around people and to talk and, you know, have a little fun and play a few games or something before they go back to class. So, , it just it's building community. And that, again, that's another thing that just can't be measured. So, , I hope it's here until they end the town should have the black students. And I'm trying to come back to the 25th anniversary anniversary. So,, lastly I'm just ready for next year to have this presented. Alvin is going to be presented by video or audio, however is coming out transcribed. However, it comes out. I'm very excited for year five and all of the people that has been a part of making it happen. And, uh, I just, I think everybody, and I'm glad my idea came to fruition and we got a nice little grant to make this happen. This was, it happened pretty fast too. I didn't thank the library for it, but it helped in making that happen.

Ayana Ford:Thank you so much for allowing me to interview you today. Thank you. [more information was added after ending] All right. We good now. So, , do you know if the people who push for the Black Student Center specifically, like a couple of names and how it came to be?

Ayana Ford: Yeah, so, I mean, I can give you some names. I can't name everybody, but I recognize some of the people because they were there throughout the whole time, but again, some of the students were seniors already. So, you know, they did what they could and then graduated, they were gone and then some of the students were in and out and, you know, maybe not there all the time, but a few of the students are the, , there was these two twins. So they were, they were the current BSU presidents during the time when we opened the space. And, , and it was Danny and Darneesha, I think that last name is Thornton. Also have a free, , Ashton, you have another guy, , Lewis Adams sail. You have, , Marvin cook who was later to BSU president. Like once the center officially opened, he was the BSU president. I have Renee white. So you have a lot of women from a sorority that was there., so, , then we have, , Darrell Williams. So another one of the original, , workers in the center think it was originally five or six workers in the center. You have a,

Jake Northington:, , another name of Brandy Williams. So now lady, so she, she went to a lot of ASI meetings, , to try to garner support and push for the reason for us to have the center., we have, , Oh, there's just so many people. So that's about all I can think of right now, quickly off the top of my head. So there's others as others, but, , those are some of the main people that I would see constantly and then our staff members as well. So that was black faculty and staff members as well. That assisted along the way, , DLC Perez, of course, Mrs. Marilyn Arielle Stevenson., so we have a lot of, , staff members like that, that were assisting so involved. Other than that, I mean, you have to go back and look at pictures and kind of pull up some more names. Cause remember, this is years ago, you talking about 2016. So when all of these things were happening pretty gay, so in a few years.

Ayana Ford: And, , so what programs did you help create and you're involved in, in some form?

Jake Northington: Yes. So I came together with a guy, , Lewis, Adam sail again, I came together with him and we kind of talked about having a brotherhood, , student organization. So that was nothing specific to black men on the campus. So everything was just, you know, it was geared to other people or groups, but-

Jake Northington: Nothing geared towards black men. We talked about it for a while and then we started, he was the president. I was vice president. And, , the idea for that was to assist the black men. And again, with tutoring, mentorship, help guiding them through being a student, help them out of trouble, , help them with their classes, class selection, and just help them in, in life skills that they maybe didn't get from growing up in whatever area they're coming from. And if they did get, it just helped them with some confidence, , kind of put them in positions to where they get, , speak more or be seen more and just any type of support that.

Jake Northington: And,, that was kind of about the things we go through individually and how we could collectively change those things. And this is, and some of those guys ended up in the book, so it's a, it's three or four of those guys went in the book from the brotherhood. So, and we started that in 2017 and this was, these are one of the things that has now attached to the center as a program. And now it's called the brotherhood Alliance. So now they're continuing it. And that was the point, you know, because the student organization does as well or as bad as the group of students.

Jake Northington: Yeah. And then you get stretched thin trying to continue an organization if the organization is not very big, so something that important need to continue. So I presented this to John Rollins and he liked the idea he wanted to continue it. So, and then they call it the brotherhood Alliance and they still even meet right now. And I go to some of the meetings now and they just continue it. And they have a, another group, a group of guys that are the president and vice-president, so he got another group of guys that's keeping it going and, , and they're active on campus and Hey, I love it. I'm glad it's, I'm glad it's moving. So in another organization that, , that I got started was the black sisterhood. So we had a black brotherhood, black sister. So we want to have them both. You don't just, you know, I'm not, I'm not into just, , one side of the coin. We have to help both sides because there are particular things that we go through, you know, , that needs to be addressed. Well, I couldn't be in the president of a black sisterhood, you know, I don't think that should be BB led by me. So

Jake Northington: You to pick different women on campus that I thought would fit the bill. And, , I wasn't getting a lot of a response back. So it took a while to kind of find somebody that wanted to take the mantle of that. But in the meantime, it was like the black brotherhood and black sisterhood was housed within the black brotherhood. So we would still help everybody. We would still help and support the different black women on campus, but we were what we were not going to lead a conversation or lead a program specifically for black women. So who was just kind of housed within the black brotherhood. And then we would do it in a different way.

Jake Northington: And we would go support the black women, the black women's, our sorority events and things like that. So once I finally ran into a person, , sunny Bates, she was very excited about this and she wanted to be the leader of it. And I was like, okay, here we go. Now we got somebody that wants to lead that. So she became the president and then I didn't want to hold any type of position because that's for them specifically. So then we went out and recruited different members and we got a bunch of ladies together who were not active in any other groups and was like, okay, here's another,

Jake Northington: Here's another club push, get black help, black people to push themselves out of the idea of this is all we have and that's all it is anything outside of that is wrong. And I think some people on different campuses really feel like you should only have a BSU. Anything outside of that is challenging to BSU. Well, , I, I didn't, I didn't stand for that. I was like, we have to change that idea. I draw, we need to have a black art club. These people love movies. We needed a black movie clubs. So these are the things we pushed around. So we started to have black movie nights. Then we have, , you know, a night for this a night for that., they, they started a dance group. Some ladies had a dance club that they started and there's even a new dance club right now. So, , just to keep pushing the idea, we can have more, we can have 15 or 20 black student clubs. So this gives a vast array of things for black students to be active in when you only give them one or two, that doesn't do enough. So, , we're all different. We all got different likes and wants and

Jake Northington: Needs. So we need to spray it in the other part of having a black brotherhood or black sisterhood. So, , and then I just operated in both of those. And again, I'm on my way out. So then, , , John, John Roland was like, Hey, is this something we could kinda, , take on from y'all because both of y'all are going to be leaving. So I spoke with him, Sonny spoke with him, and then now they have a thing. They call it assist circle assistance. I think that's what it's called, something like that, or something close to that. So now they have that with the brotherhood Alliance, and these are now programs housed in the black student center that didn't happen

Jake Northington: Before. So now offer multiple clubs. And then now they're housed in the, in the center versus if a few active students leave, these things may get thin or spread apart or go away, and we don't need those things to happen. So we need, we need things that are constant and constant, and that are continually going to help the students that support the students. So I was really happy to see that happen. And then, you know, now you don't have to put that burden on a new student, showing up to try to collect the black brothers together, collect the black sisters together. You don't have to put that burden on them. Now I didn't have a vehicle to operate out of. So, you know, it just gives more help to a need. So then, , w through all of these different clubs and organizations, remember, I'm an art student, so I'm not only taking pictures., I'm doing sculptures. So I did a couple of, , sculpture things that I did for ASI and, and that I did for the women's center. And then the women's center over at the time changed their name to the gender equity center, but it was the women's center when I got there. And then, , so I did this, it's a sculpture piece in collaboration with them and with ASI around, , saving, , straws. So the straw campaign happened during I was, while I was at the school.

Jake Northington: You want it to stop the use as much a plastics and, and put it together to create a sea animal, which was a sea turtle to show look at how this affects the Marine and aquatic life. And we use that to kind of help push sustainability and to end the uses of straws on campus and all these other things. So I was able to use my artwork and all these dynamic ways. And then now I started to, , design logos and shirts for clubs and organizations outside of the black student center and in a black student union. So, and then that just led to so many more opportunities. And then I began to photograph events for, , the diversity office for ASI clubs and just different things. And then

Jake Northington: The end for me to make my own, I've done so much for so many other people. And then just so many people, I just got so much good feedback from a lot of the t-shirts and stuff that I made. And a lot of the designs I was like, I guess it's time for me to make my own I'm on my way out of here. So I'm just going to start making some of my own stuff. So then I started making a brotherhood and sisterhood t-shirts and hoodies and sweaters and all jackets, different things like that. And I'll just keep testing out things, keep redesigning things. So that's a lot of the stuff I did my last semester.

Jake Northington: And then that ended up with their own t-shirt line. And, , now I make my own stuff, so I love it. And, , some of these things have now been sold to different colleges and universities. They contact me and I, you know, I have my own LLC, my own business, and I work with other black students centers and diversity departments, and they buy stuff in bulk to give out to black students across the San Diego and LA County. And so those ideas and all of that work that I was able to do and things I was able to be a part of and working with the different groups and just creating in sparking new Led to this, I to use this, to help pay for graduate school as well. So it's, it's, it's a nice full circle of work. So,

Jake Northington: Yeah. And then you still came back to San Marcos to hear their project.

Jake Northington: Well, let me go. So, , I've done a few projects even after graduating. So once I graduated, I still did about four or five other projects. Post-graduation

Ayana Ford:, so like, for example, for this Black student center project, , what was your direct role in getting this made?

Jake Northington:My direct role was it was my idea to begin with, and I don't know if anybody thought of this before, maybe they did, but it, and they weren't able to make it happen. And it took the right people. So, , like Sean visit container, like, , , , John Rollins, it, you know, it took the right people. So the right people were here at the same time. And once the ideas got around, they were interrupted.

Sean was interested. John was interested when I gave the idea to him. So then they started to spread out and build the team that we needed. So we got a team of like five people. And, , and with that team now, it's like, all right, let's get through the planning stage. So we spent six, eight months planning through the summer, through the winter and get to the planning stage. And then now reach out to hire students, point out all different people. We needed to be involved as far as telling stories like this. And, , just to watch it all happen is it's just, I guess that might be more satisfied. I get to actually watch my idea happen like that. And I just hope everybody really can get something out of this, or at least get close to what I'm getting out of it. Cause it's, I mean, to be a student that, that operates on campus and you're trying to be active and you're trying to make changes for your community. And then to see something like that happen when I knew it took years to get the black student center years to even crack the door open. But then now this situation happened within a matter of a year, year and a half. And I'm like, Oh, this is, you know, this is great. And people are more-

Jake Northington: Or app to help them support the email went out about, Hey, we're looking for students to be a part of this project and to do interviews and this, this, this, and then to start getting feedback like that, you know, I don't know if this w this could have happened in the same manner eight years ago, 17 years ago, you know, that the campus climate, you know, the activities were a little different, so it just the right time and the right people. And we're able to pull this off. So, I mean, , this definitely on my resume. So it was one of the highlights on my resume to, , to even have my name Attached to this. So, , it say after that, this is, this is definitely up there. I think my, I like my books a little more, but, but this is up there.